lumpagogo (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)

The U.S. Chamber is a front for our Global Corporatists whose goal, with a few exceptions, is to drive every American mfg job to Mexico, India or China.Westinghouse, Wal Mart, thousands of others are not American companies; they are China-nationals. Their hatred of fellow Homo Sapiens is legion--just listen to Limbaugh or Beck.

gn0m1k (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)

I don't see the problem here. You come into my house, you play by my rules. Otherwise, go somewhere else.Unions artificially raise the wages for workers where there may not be a demand for that price because of the output value and supply of employees.Factory jobs = American jobs. LOL. American jobs are phony service jobs and a consumption economy.Spend more money in this economy? We need to save during recessions not borrow and spend and bathe in high inflation.

bigfilmhat (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)

Dedhedted71- everything you have said is perfectly logical. Stratvic is either thick-headed & illogically or he my work for the big union busters. Big union busters are a $5 billion dollar a year business that has hijacked union elections. This idea the unions want to do away with the secret ballot is absurd. The Jackson-Lewis's and Seyfarth Shaw's have already done away with secret ballots through indimidation and strong-armed tactics. Just search- secret ballot name only and watch the video.

stratvic (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)

Irrational nationalistic logic. Consumers demand the best value for their money, businesses compete to provide that service. In doing so they each improve the lives of all the people that voluntarily cooperate and coordinate together achieving what each want, each gaining from trade. Your only issue is that not all those that are participating are exclusively of your nation/ingroup/race/language/geography or whatever irrational arbitrary delineation you use to exclude people.

Dedhedted71 (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)

Thats my point! They love cheap labor. They do not love their country. They want illegal immigration for cheap labor. They want free trade for cheap labor. All this to increase their bottom line. They are not interested in improving the quality of life for anyone other that themselves. Unions did not support free trade. It was big business screwing the little guy. Ask 1 of Bob Murray's Utah miners how it is without the protection of a union! Oh thats right, they're dead & the mine is shut down.

stratvic (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)

Grand claims ...but not evidence or even argumentation i.e. Logical, perfect, wrong, don't, fantasy, (adhominum), lost, followed by I give up. Not a smidgen of logic, argumentation, or evidence in sight...thanks for playing.

stratvic (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)

Or the unions who drove the jobs overseas. Add to that the immigration law that ensured that jobs had to move to labor rather than labor moving to jobs.

Dedhedted71 (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)

We would have never needed that bullshit, corrupt bailout if we were still a nation that produces. We let the greedy corperate scumbags have their anti-union free trade agreements. Now we just consume. There is no wealth being generated in America anymore. You have the bankers, globalists, & greedy corperations to thank for that. Its time for the American people to take back their authority & return to ourselves what has always been our birthright.

Dedhedted71 (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)

Everything I have said is perfectly logical. Now your just starting to beat your head against a wall. My metaphor was perfect. You just cant admitt your wrong. "Employers dont operate like sharks". What a fantasy! Are you really that nieve? You do not understand the world of American labor. Face it dude. You lost this debate. I'm done. This has become an exercise in futility.

stratvic (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)

Where do "rights" come from? I hope you don't mean to respond from the law, or even worse from democracy/the mob.